Telegram is capable of handing over all messages in every group and regular one-to-one chat to authorities in country. A real private messaging app like Signal isn’t capable of turning over your messages and media. Telegram/Discord etc aren’t private platforms.
20 years of indymedia
– The folksonamy tag meta date creates the streams/feeds of objects
Lets look at one of the new semi open #dotcons – brave.com
https://brave.com
The #4opens:
Are a simple way to judge the value of a “alt/grassroots” tech project.
Open data – is the basic part of a project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_data with out this open they cannot work.
* hard to say, I think all the limited user data it collects will be sold for profit, it’s the business model. The code of the product is up on github. Say ½ a open.
Open source – as in “free software” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software this keeps development healthy by increasing interconnectedness and bringing in serendipity. The Open licences are the “lock” that keep the first two in place, what we have isn’t perfect but they do expand the area of “trust” that a project needs to work, creative commons is a start here.
* Yes its based on Chromium and all its modified code is on github i think. Think a 1 open
Open “industrial” standards – this is a little understood but core open, it’s what the open internet and WWW are built from. Here is an outline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard
* its built on top of a major open source project, supports most openstanderds? 1 open
Open process – this is the most “nebulous” part, examples of the work flow would be wikis and activity streams. Projects are built on linking trust networks so open process is the “glue” that binds the links together. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process
* The development seems to be done in the open on github but the business model is hidden behind the company structure so say ½ a open.
So that’s 3 opens for a silver #4opens project
But my wider thoughts:
Looking at the intro page, it looks like they are shifting round the exploitation. “Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it” Modern interpretation Of this: #dotcons only shift exploitation to the commons, the point is to challenge exploitation.
The hot air block on social change
In more than 20 years of activism I have seen our use of language fail us. There mainstreaming language, all we have, has no power it is just hot air.
If we are to have hope. We have to reclaim our language, we have to recreate our language. We need to call everyday things by what they are.
#deathcult the neo-liberalism that has ripped our society and ecology apart for the last 40 years. This is inside everything we touch and shapes our thoughts.
* liberalism is seen as a good, it is, the small “neo” is meaningless in our language. #XR has made mainstream that it is about death and despair at an unimaginable scale. A cult? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult its invisible death that we all share and believe in, the glue that binds us.
#dotcons are the new internet based media companies such as #failbook who are the #deathcult in code and algorithms, all the new economy which shapes us every hour of our lives.
* it took 10 years of fighting against the #openweb for us to accept our digital addictions. We knew that they were cons to make lots of money, what we did not know was that they were about social control.
These new #hashtag words need a growing community to reache a critical mass. Then the door to the mainstreams will open. Until then it is locked and bolted and hot air of our current languages stinks.
Looking at 4opens projects – totalisam
The #4opens
Are a simple way to judge the value of a “alt/grassroots” tech project.
Open data – is the basic part of a project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_data with out this open they cannot work.
Yes.
Open source – as in “free software” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software this keeps development healthy by increasing interconnectedness and bringing in serendipity. The Open licences are the “lock” that keep the first two in place, what we have ain’t perfect but they do expand the area of “trust” that a project needs to work, creative commons is a start here.
No
Open “industrial” standards – this is a little understand but core open, its what the open internet and WWW are built from. Here is an outline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard
1/2 a open is working towards
Open process – this is the most “nebulous” part, examples of the work flow would be wikis and activity streams. Projects are built on linking trust networks so open process is the “glue” that binds the links together. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process
Yes
So Its a bronze #4opens project.
Election in Danger
When we do get the General Election we face a crisis that will dwarf #Brexit – the use of target advertising to buy the election. Both Facebook and Google will receive £100’s of millions in political advertising. Neither the mainstream side, or you and me, will see or be aware of this messaging. This money will directly stir up narrow hatred and division. With traditional media pushing right-wing agendas we could well break democratic norms for good. This will happen without you seeing it, but you will likely wake up to the effect on election morning. It’s basic stuff.
Solution: invade and occupy the core corporations’ offices and do not leave until we get them to step away from accepting this money.
To try and stop the disaster for social democracy the next election is likely to be. The action needs to be taken at the roots. Ie. In the soft fluff cores of the #dotcons facebook and google are a start by targeting these you are pulling on a lever that both has an affect and can be changed. Its important to focues and not dissipate focues on A-B marches, media stunts, petitions and appealingly to the mainstream.
A #4opens review of boatbuddys.co.uk
The #4opens:
Are a simple way to judge the value of a “alt/grassroots” tech project.
Open data – is the basic part of a project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_data without this open they cannot work.
* there is no way to get your data out or to access the metadata. Its copyright. No open
Open source – as in “free software” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software this keeps development healthy by increasing interconnectedness and bringing in serendipity. The Open licences are the “lock” that keep the first two in place, what we have ain’t perfect, but they do expand the area of “trust” that a project needs to work, creative commons is a start here.
* its closed source on the surface, not obvious what is happening under the surface. No open
Open “industrial” standards – this is a little understood but core open, it’s what the open internet and WWW are built from. Here is an outline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard
* no RSS I can see, it’s a basic website I think with a forum? No open
Open process – this is the most “nebulous” part, examples of the work flow would be wikis and activity streams. Projects are built on linking trust networks, so open process is the “glue” that binds the links together. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process
* it’s a forum so kinda open process but no look at the running of the project. 1/2 open
To sum up, it’s a project that could be made more #4opens if the was a community involved. This depends on the guys running it and their tech support being willing and having time to push the project out into the “commons”.
At the moment is a dormant seed #dotcons
1/2 open out of 4 so not a #4opens project.
Please remember that just about everything around you is pushing the #deathcult
Please remember before posting liberal stuff that just about everything around you and meany things you think you value are in reality a part of the #deathcult
Neoliberalism that we live and breath is the coureas of our current mess, not Trump or Brexit, they are outcomes. So when you look at any solution is it a “common sense” neoliberal idea or something else? Please think about the #deathcult before you share propaganda on #dotcons
How not to spead #deathcult propaganda on the #dotcons
Neoliberalism that we live and breath is the coureas of our current mess, not Trump or Brexit, they are outcomes. So when you look at any solution is it a “common sense” neoliberal idea or something else? Please think about the #deathcult before you share propaganda on #failbook
The great hack
This is a bad documentary telling a needed story.
Its #tredtionalmedia liberal media pushing dysfunctional people at us. The was a generation of actavists telling this obvious story. Its intresting that they are not the story. Liberal documentary makeing always has a limited view, this is a particularly bad example.
Its got a sad ending the liberals at TED pleading with the tech gods to not be evil with a knowing wink that they will be ignored. But the liberals will still build there lives in this mess. The is no alternative inside liberalism in the data era its sadly a #deathcult
A needed story, told by the chattering classes.
What could a #4opens World Look Like?
Throwing ideas into the air to see where they land, this is a sketch, not a blueprint. A thought experiment. But if we’re serious about rebooting the #openweb for a role in challenging #mainstreaming, and to build alternatives to the failing capitalist status quo, we have to start somewhere. So let’s ask: what does a world built around the #4opens actually look like?
We’re talking about a soft move away from capitalism, not an apocalyptic collapse or utopian leap, but a pragmatic, grounded shift in how we live, relate, and build together in the digital era. A society governed by openness, not profit. A future rooted in collaboration, not control.
- The End of Money as the Primary Motivator
In a #4opens world, exchange is no longer driven by the blunt instrument of money. The logic of scarcity fades when information is abundant and freely shared. With open data and transparent process, value can be tracked, distributed, and balanced – not hoarded.
Imagine a path where you give not to accumulate, but to re-balance. Where you’re recognized and supported for what you contribute, openly. This doesn’t mean the end of value, it means the end of commodification as the only language for it. Capitalism made money sacred. The #4opens world breaks that spell in the digital pats, which can then be used as a powerful lever to re-balance this in the physical world.
- Radical Reductions in Inequality
The current digital economy centralises control in the hands of the #nastyfew, the platform owners, the server landlords, the data hoarders. In contrast, a #4opens world puts common infrastructure – physical and digital – under democratic stewardship.
Open code, open governance, open data, open processes. These tools dismantle the gatekeeping logic of closed silos. We stop renting access to our own lives. We stop working to make the rich richer. What results is not just a redistribution of resources, but a recomposition of power. Rich and poor stop being natural categories. We start down the pat of inequality becoming a historical memory.
- Ecological Transformation via Digital Abundance
In this world, we break the toxic loop where growth = consumption = progress. As digital goods expand – freely shareable, replicable, adaptable – the material basis of economic growth shrinks.
Instead of growth for its own sake, we focus on ecological outcomes. Energy systems localise. Circular economies flourish. The planet breathes again because we’ve stopped mistaking consumerism for culture. Post-consumption, we can meet human needs without destroying the biosphere.
- Real Community, Not Algorithmic Spectacle
When your networks are open, knowable, and modifiable, you stop being a metric or a data point. You become a person in a community again. We build networks of care and trust. The #4opens give us tools to know each other better, to collaborate without permission, and to keep relationships alive across distance and time. We escape the isolation of the #dotcons by remembering what it means to belong, not to brands, but to people.
- Reclaiming the Meaning of ‘Common Sense’
In this transition, we’ll have to rethink almost everything we take for granted. Why do we work so much? Why do we compete instead of collaborate? Why is everything a secret? Why are we trained to distrust?
The capitalist world naturalised its own ideology, it taught us that exploitation was just “how the world works.” The #4opens world undoes this conditioning. We’ll discover that our “common sense” was a prison. Open thinking makes new realities possible.
- Privacy in the Age of the #Dotcons
We already lost privacy. Let’s be honest. The #dotcons and the surveillance state see everything. This isn’t a warning, it’s the present. There’s no going back to closed data. Not legally. Not technically. The dream of sealed-off privacy is gone. So what can we do?
We open the #metadata bag. All of it. We make the hidden flows of power visible. We stop pretending that corporate surveillance is okay while peer-to-peer transparency is dangerous.
Yes, it’s uncomfortable. But in a world where we’ve already been stripped naked by Google, Amazon, and the NSA, radical transparency becomes the preferd path to justice. The question isn’t “how do we hide?” but “how do we share wisely and govern openly?”
- What Does a Post-Capitalist, Open Society Look Like?
It’s not utopia. It’s messy. It’s federated. It’s full of tension and debate. But it’s also a world where:
Decisions are made in the open, not behind closed doors.
Software is built to be forked, not locked.
Platforms are governed by people and communitys, not shareholders.
Care is more valuable than control.
Collaboration is default, not an afterthought.
This is the vision of the #4opens, not a theory, but a practice. A lived, everyday politics. A shift from passive consumption to active creation. It’s the beginning of something new, rooted in #FOSS, everything we already know works if we just trust each other enough to try.
So, what does a #4opens world look like? It looks like the world we’re already building, underneath the rubble of the old one. Time to pick up your shovels.
The question of who has access to data and more importantly metadata.
Lets look for a moment at a fundamental question few people are asking that already shapes society and will drive social change in the next 50 years.
The question of who has access to data and more importantly metadata.
* Open – everyone can use most of the data and all the meta data
* Closed- only you can use the data only corporations and governments can use most of the metadata.
* Hybrid- the data is open to the hosting corporation, governments and companies that pay for it. Your friends can see only what you share with them. The metadata is owned by the corporations used by governments.
The future will be dominated by this issue if computer networks keep running during the #climatechaos disaster.