Neoliberalism that we live and breath is the coureas of our current mess, not Trump or Brexit, they are outcomes. So when you look at any solution is it a “common sense” neoliberal idea or something else? Please think about the #deathcult before you share propaganda on #failbook
Putting content into #dotcons is a feed back loop which has marginal (and reducing) affect as for example all your doing is teaching the #failbook algorithms how to sell you and everyone who interacts with your content more “stuff” and in the functionality ideological mind/social control of you and yor community.
Its very easy to have a #flamewar on #failbook as it drives ad views for the #dotcons. If you are progressive you could have a sensibly conversation on the #openweb with a few million other people were human activerty/community not ad driven consumerism is the outcome https://activism.openworlds.info/public
I use the #deathcult tag to highlight the neo-liberal era of the last 40 years which has left us in this current mess. A cult as few of us inside can see outside “common sense” and death as #XR has made the climate chaos cliff we are facing and billions of deaths visible to the mainstream. Of course neo-liberalism is just an extream form of capitalism we had it before in the UK during the irish potato famine with its millions of deaths and displacements. When people realised the problems mainstream moved to social democracy (soft) capitalism before “forgetting” agen in the late 1970’s. Corbyn and Sanders are trying to move us back to social democracy, which is of course no sulution BUT much better than the current mess. We as radicals need to do better #OMN
My point is that sanders and Corbyn are old mainstream and the current #deathcult are the current mainstream that’s dieing now. Ie we should create real radicalism to make Corbin and Sanders the centrist they actually are if you look back for a moment to the 20th century. We could get some real change then, if we keep them as the “radicals” then the is no future #XR
Calling the current lot a #deathcult is about opening up the space for Corbin and Sanders to be centrists in our minds. No matter what we do the right will be nutters, so not aiming at them with the tags at all.
This applys to everything. So the digital economy are all #dotcons and #failbook with its ownership of whatsapp and Instagram etc. Is the digital leader of the the #deathcult with google and Apple not far behind.
Pushing the dialog is probably the most powerful nonviolent direct action you can do from a armchair or public meeting
Q. The tags my friend are meaningless distracting drivel alas. That allude to something grand. When I click on them sometimes all I see is a list of Hamish posts. They have some utility if they bind peoples posts by theme, which is how they came to be popular on twitter I guess. They are useless when forging ahead one ones own with one’s own invented idiosyncratic tags that just litter ones text with # chars and jargon.
You have great things to say and if you shared them in common English you would reach many more people with them, I assure you.
A. look at the problem I am trying to solve agen. You actually do describe it in your reply but that is as far as your understanding goes in this reply. Note if you would have added a common #hashtag your post WOULD have been added to that hashtag view and the would have been more than my voice. Now keep adding new (common) hashtag users and you get a meaningful conversation and organic spread. When you don’t do this all you have is your #failbook echo chambers. I call this problem #stupidindividualism and it is both #mainstreammedia bad and sad
As an example. The is a opening to #stepaway from the #dotcons here if people desire change. That problem we face is fear and doubt and the widespread use of #FUD https://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/FUD.html
Q. but then facebook fucked it all up
A. Yes, well we kinda fucked it up before #failbook came along. The #ossification of #indymedia network from my memory comes to mind. Tecnolagy as individualism over tecnolagy as social, the blogging revolution and years of pointless #encryptionists projects are good examples. Then the #dotcons puts shiny on there poison pill and we all swallowed heaps of “socialmedia” and here we are deep in the #deathcult with a vernier of the #openweb on the edge #OMN
How to admin #failbook group in the era of the #deathcult were SPAM has economic value.
First step have a list of questions to answer, you will likely still have a growing list of people who have not answered them, if you have the time to try this.
Using there profiles:
* Friend of a friend, they are likely to be connected to the movement if the are a number of friends of friends, if they have friends you trust in common than they are likely not to be spammers so let them though.
* groups – if they belong to eco – non spammy groups then likely OK if they have groups in common then probably OK let them through.
* then if in doubt check their timelines if the is spam then decline, if there is no eco stuff them it’s debatable. I would leave them in the que.
Of course only do this process if you have the time, its optional.
How do #openweb projects deal with this issue?
Q. First question, to start things off. Setting aside the negative aspects of social media platforms like Facebook for a moment, what does, say Facebook do well? In other words, how can platforms like Facebook be used in a positive way by your average person? How can it be used in a positive way by someone who considers themselves an activist?
A. Its a pay to view platform for any outreach beyond family and a few friends. So you can keep in touch with family and a few friends while being reshaped by the algorithms into god knows what, but probably not very social.
You can run fluffy activism on #failbook but agen this will be shaped by the algorithms to create friction and then amplify this into social fires. Trolls will take over your pages after a time.
So good for making a few events happen then failing.
Q. Second question. Can you give an example of an alternative to a platform like Facebook, and describe two or three things that this alternative platform does better?
A. There are many good projects on the #openweb at moment, most of them built around a standard called activertypub. Currently you can reach over 2 million users based on thousands of different services that all talk to each other.
These platforms do not have the addictive algorithms that the #dotcons have so you get out what you put in. If you put focuses and activity in you will find yourself taking responsibility for building your own communities of new interesting people who tend to be much nicer that the people that #dotcons connect you too. The applications work easily across all formats with modern ui’s its a simple step, if you can focus for a time.
Q. Third question. Can you briefly describe why we need alternative platforms like the one you mentioned above.
A. The #dotcons shape us into being isolated individuals feeding our attentions/lives to depressing consumption and ecological disaster. All the time distracting us with cat memes and news gossip, to this despair its bread and circuses, an old trick.
Q. And if you’d like to add where you think a conversation like this ought to go, in terms of direction, topics to cover, that would also be really helpful.
A. Could talk about #XR
Hippy capitalism is back, well it never went away, from bamboo tooth brushes to everything made outa charcoal. its all evil people pushing the same illusions of self control while ignoring the uncomfortable social truths the deluded desire this is based on. #fuckyou comes to mind, just stop buying crap in general
Don’t buy into middle class “ethical consumerism” instead buy less, buy second hand, live simply. Most importunately engage in making the social world a better place. You can do this in both small community levels and larger political movements, best a mix of all three. Just don’t get stuck in the “ethical consumerism” evil death pit
“climate change is coming”.
Main point is that when you see evil point at it and call it what it is EVIL this apply’s to just about all “ethical consumerism”
Ps. Best to not see this as a ethical judgment and better to see this as a good move to have space/time to live a more interesting life. Money for most people is directly connected with depressing, pointless, work slavery.
1) Simple spend less on crap.
2) Work less to earn the money to spend on crap.
3) Live life better in the space this opens up.
As Paul Mackilligin says on #failbook
…and those who make their profits from selling us crap are busy lobbying politicians to change laws and regulations so that we have to buy more.
My favourite quote from Adam Smith: the concluding lines from Book One of The Wealth of Nations…
“The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufactures, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market, and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can only serve to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens.
The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have
generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public,
and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived
and oppressed it.”
Rainbow gatherings happen far away from Babylon, this is understood.
Yet for the last 10 years they have been increasingly/largely organized on Facebook and its importent to state the obvuse that this is having an affect on the gatherings. Facebook being a #dotcon is full on strong Babylon energy and this energy is overflowing/washing over into the Rainbow Gatherings and the people that come to them.
For #rainbow to have most of its organizing and communication in/on #failbook has been a clear bringing Babylon into Rainbow disaster. You can see this in the illness/eco disaster’s at European gatherings over the last 5 years. The recent regional one I was at for 3 weeks in Serbia this summer strongly affected, I was almost the only expirenced rainbow persion there most of the time. The were no Serbions, the ones that came all left after a few days. It was organised (not foculised) by a Bosnion who had real issues with serbs that keept serficeing in uncuftable ways. most of my time there was spent worked hard on the ground in circles to heal this on going “mess”. Though it had good moments.
Ok, your reading this and saying this is not my problem, facebook works for me etc. it might not be your interest, but saying this is is a problem should not be #blocked on rainbow facebook pages. Talking about the issues after the Serbion gathering and disaster of the polish Europen Gathering, why am being #blocked and called a troll on #failbook rainbow pages? Were did this power to block and censer come from in our gtaherings? The tag #failbook (the are other tags) is not my point of view its mainstream https://mastodon.social/tags/failbook lots of links here on the #openweb that show this.
If you won’t to take Rainbow into Babylon that’s fine and good. But please don’t bring Babylon into Rainbow. Remember Rainbow is not Babylon. We build our gatherings away from Babylon, just as we need to foculise and tell our story’s away from Babylon. In this our use of #Failbook is a clear and urgent problem for #rainbow
A. Is this a good idea?
Q. It is certainly a better idea. Whether or not it is the best possible is another question …
Q. The thing is that any alternative needs a certain critical mass of people to adopt it before it will work. I just can’t see how the breakthrough can be made by any completely independent alternative. Anything that can take over from FB needs massive publicity.
A. The “fedvers/activertypub” network has over 2 million users and growing. What we need now is a push and keep pushing of this. The Labour party should be doing this… it will likely not due to #fashernista agendas… but am not inside to make a real judgement in this? Any one in the loop?
A. What would a state lead social network look like? A big centralized #failbook or a local run federated network?